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	<title>Comments on: TorCampDemoCamp 4.0 - get your game on</title>
	<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/</link>
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		<title>By: Michael McDerment Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tips for DemoCamp Presenters from Jerry &#38; I</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-862</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McDerment Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tips for DemoCamp Presenters from Jerry &#38; I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-862</guid>
		<description>[...] Whether they realize it or not, I know everyone has worthwhile knowledge to share&#8230;that is what I am most interested in seeing at DemoCamp&#8217;s carrying forward, but that&#8217;s just my two cents. Here is Jerry&#8217;s follow up: Fair comment from Randy [comment is near the bottom]&#8230;. Pursuing fun should not, for example, preclude Osh&#8217;s suggestions for demoers: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Whether they realize it or not, I know everyone has worthwhile knowledge to share&#8230;that is what I am most interested in seeing at DemoCamp&#8217;s carrying forward, but that&#8217;s just my two cents. Here is Jerry&#8217;s follow up: Fair comment from Randy [comment is near the bottom]&#8230;. Pursuing fun should not, for example, preclude Osh&#8217;s suggestions for demoers: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McDerment Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Demo Camp 4 Roundup: A Treatise from Jerry</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McDerment Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Demo Camp 4 Roundup: A Treatise from Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-860</guid>
		<description>[...] NOTE: I totally pilfered this from Osh comments  (thanks Osh).  Be sure to check out Osh’s blog at http://www.myownpirateradio.com/. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] NOTE: I totally pilfered this from Osh comments  (thanks Osh).  Be sure to check out Osh’s blog at <a href="http://www.myownpirateradio.com/." rel="nofollow" >http://www.myownpirateradio.com/.</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: My Own Pirate Radio &#187; demo! Demo! DEMO!</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>My Own Pirate Radio &#187; demo! Demo! DEMO!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-202</guid>
		<description>[...] DemoCamp 4 ignited a fair bit of buzz about how to grow the tech community in the Toronto area. David Crow chronicled some of that and issued a call for comment here. Many other people replied back to my DemoCamp 4 trip report. And other folks like Mark Kuznicki, Thomas Purves and Rob Hyndman have been adding their thoughts to the mix too. Good stuff. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] DemoCamp 4 ignited a fair bit of buzz about how to grow the tech community in the Toronto area. David Crow chronicled some of that and issued a call for comment here. Many other people replied back to my DemoCamp 4 trip report. And other folks like Mark Kuznicki, Thomas Purves and Rob Hyndman have been adding their thoughts to the mix too. Good stuff. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Purves &#187;</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Purves &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-201</guid>
		<description>[...] Everyday it&#8217;s becoming more interesting to be in Toronto. Picking up earlier conversations, and on what to do with Barcamp, Mark Kuznicki and I met for lunch the other day to talk some of our ideas. Who should we run into but Oshoma Momoh who also has been blogging on the subject lately (this city is getting smaller all the time). Here&#8217;s why we&#8217;re talking. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Everyday it&#8217;s becoming more interesting to be in Toronto. Picking up earlier conversations, and on what to do with Barcamp, Mark Kuznicki and I met for lunch the other day to talk some of our ideas. Who should we run into but Oshoma Momoh who also has been blogging on the subject lately (this city is getting smaller all the time). Here&#8217;s why we&#8217;re talking. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: brentashley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Camp, oh more than just Camp. You know you&#8217;re soaking in it.</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>brentashley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Camp, oh more than just Camp. You know you&#8217;re soaking in it.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-153</guid>
		<description>[...] There has been some feedback  and discussion of late about where to draw the line between the technical and business aspects of these events. As a nerdy guy I&#8217;m much more interested in the tech aspect, however I&#8217;m not independently wealthy enough that I can&#8217;t understand the usefulness of bringing business into the equation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There has been some feedback  and discussion of late about where to draw the line between the technical and business aspects of these events. As a nerdy guy I&#8217;m much more interested in the tech aspect, however I&#8217;m not independently wealthy enough that I can&#8217;t understand the usefulness of bringing business into the equation. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: My Own Pirate Radio &#187; Good Things are Worth Waiting For</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>My Own Pirate Radio &#187; Good Things are Worth Waiting For</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-152</guid>
		<description>[...] Thing 4: Entrepreneurship. The March &#8216;06 Toronto DemoCamp event stimulated some interesting conversation about innovation and entrepreneurship in this region. One of the topics is whether it&#8217;s worth spending time reviewing demo ideas that come without business plans attached. I argue it is worthwhile: the demoers may eventually want help turning their ideas into businesses, and everyone else in the room is meanwhile benefiting by listening, learning, and building synergy between the demos and ideas of their own. It&#8217;s OK if the payoff isn&#8217;t immediate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Thing 4: Entrepreneurship. The March &#8216;06 Toronto DemoCamp event stimulated some interesting conversation about innovation and entrepreneurship in this region. One of the topics is whether it&#8217;s worth spending time reviewing demo ideas that come without business plans attached. I argue it is worthwhile: the demoers may eventually want help turning their ideas into businesses, and everyone else in the room is meanwhile benefiting by listening, learning, and building synergy between the demos and ideas of their own. It&#8217;s OK if the payoff isn&#8217;t immediate. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Jayasekera</title>
		<link>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Jayasekera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://myownpirateradio.com/2006/03/29/torcampdemocamp-40-get-your-game-on/#comment-150</guid>
		<description>I appreciate most of what Jerry King says in his comment (and I agree with others that he should really blog that directly rather than "comment").  But there is a big problem with his argument that "yes there is a business model for disposable digital cameras".  What was demoed was a parasite application of an existing product.  Cool, yes, but *not* a new product.  And if all users of these disposable digital cameras hacked them and the companies supplying them therefore took a loss on every purchase, these cameras wouldn't be around much longer.  So, like the demoer said, there is no business model for this.  The new product required for what Jerry talks about is a new digital camera that's cheaper to build and/or sell than what's already on the market, and that's not what was being demoed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate most of what Jerry King says in his comment (and I agree with others that he should really blog that directly rather than &#8220;comment&#8221;).  But there is a big problem with his argument that &#8220;yes there is a business model for disposable digital cameras&#8221;.  What was demoed was a parasite application of an existing product.  Cool, yes, but *not* a new product.  And if all users of these disposable digital cameras hacked them and the companies supplying them therefore took a loss on every purchase, these cameras wouldn&#8217;t be around much longer.  So, like the demoer said, there is no business model for this.  The new product required for what Jerry talks about is a new digital camera that&#8217;s cheaper to build and/or sell than what&#8217;s already on the market, and that&#8217;s not what was being demoed.</p>
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